{"id":140,"date":"2010-06-29T17:51:27","date_gmt":"2010-06-30T03:51:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=140"},"modified":"2010-06-29T15:09:42","modified_gmt":"2010-06-30T01:09:42","slug":"lo-quality-hunter-what-i-wouldnt-give-for-some-consistency","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=140","title":{"rendered":"Lo-Quality Hunter:  What I Wouldn&#8217;t Give For Some Consistency"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>After spending most of the other night repeatedly getting my add kicked by Sindragosa, I was not looking forward to another night of repeated wipes.\u00c2\u00a0 And I was half right, we did wipe repeatedly.\u00c2\u00a0 I just had the wrong boss.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Fortunately, our regular raid leader was back, which meant we had our main tank back.\u00c2\u00a0 Which worked out since the Death Knight who had been our acting tank wasn&#8217;t on.\u00c2\u00a0 Also, the Rogue who had been with us the other night wasn&#8217;t along, so his spot was taken by my guildmate, the Druid.\u00c2\u00a0 So now that we had a proper Paladin and Druid along, I could stop pretending to be them.\u00c2\u00a0 Also, our other Hunter was along this time, meaning I didn&#8217;t have to do all the Hunter-specific jobs by myself anymore.<\/p>\n<p>Our first try of Sindragosa was very similar to the other night.\u00c2\u00a0 On the very first <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70126\">Frost Beacon<\/a> during phase 2, the target ran the wrong way, realized he was going the wrong way, then reversed BACK THROUGH THE RAID!\u00c2\u00a0 We scrambled out of the way but he still managed to freeze himself and another person who wasn&#8217;t fast enough.\u00c2\u00a0 Which was stupid.\u00c2\u00a0 You can screw up the first Beacon, it&#8217;s better to just stop and stay on the wrong side rather than to run through everyone else trying to get into the correct position.<\/p>\n<p>And because of the chaos that caused, we just couldn&#8217;t recover.\u00c2\u00a0 On the second try, positioning was better but again we ended up wiping because of dumb mistakes.\u00c2\u00a0 In this case, I died, but not through my own fault.\u00c2\u00a0 I had gotten <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70157\">Ice Tombed<\/a> and had positioned myself correctly near enough to Sindragosa that the tank on that side could easily slip behind the tomb to remove the debuff before taunting back.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>While I was a popscicle, Sindragosa did her <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70117\">Icy Grip<\/a> thingy.\u00c2\u00a0 Well, that shouldn&#8217;t be a problem for me right?\u00c2\u00a0 Well either some people had decided to dps my Tomb while running out or were hiding behind the the Tomb and dpsing.\u00c2\u00a0 And you guessed it, they broke me out just as Sindragosa cast her <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70123\">Blistering Cold<\/a>, killing myself and at least one other person who was probably trying to hide behind the Tomb!\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I think it was the third try where we actually succeeded.\u00c2\u00a0 (My mind was trying to blank out each try as much as possible, so I lost count.)\u00c2\u00a0 However I still ended up dying.\u00c2\u00a0 Why?\u00c2\u00a0 Because again, I just happened to be Ice Tombed when she went down.\u00c2\u00a0 And while everyone was celebrating, they sort of forgot to break me out and I died.\u00c2\u00a0 Sigh.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Then it was on to the Lich King.\u00c2\u00a0 And this is where I detour into a talk about our Warrior tank.\u00c2\u00a0 He&#8217;s been the one hoping to take out the Lich King.\u00c2\u00a0 He&#8217;s been the one bugging everyone on getting to take out LK.\u00c2\u00a0 Apparently, he also thought a gung-ho attitude would make up for NOT READING ABOUT THE ENCOUNTER!<\/p>\n<p>The Lich King fight is even more annoying than Sindragosa, and that&#8217;s not even counting the 1 minute of dialogue you sit through on each try.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s a fight where it&#8217;s very easily for one person to screw up and just wipe the whole raid.\u00c2\u00a0 Everyone needs to be practically perfect to get it done.\u00c2\u00a0 And part of that is knowing the fight.\u00c2\u00a0 And I had looked up our Warrior and was pretty sure he&#8217;d never faced Lich King before.\u00c2\u00a0 Heck, before this run, he hadn&#8217;t faced a couple of the Icecrown Citadel bosses.<\/p>\n<p>Oh yeah, and did I mention that our Warrior tank wasn&#8217;t using vent at all?\u00c2\u00a0 I&#8217;ve mentioned it before but having vent improves needed communication during end-game raid encounters.\u00c2\u00a0 You can macro somethings but some instructions take too damn long to type out in the middle of a fight.\u00c2\u00a0 That&#8217;s assuming the person who the command is directed to is even paying attention.\u00c2\u00a0 So not only did our in fight communication suffer, but while everyone else new to the fight were getting their brief of the fight over vent, someone had to take him aside and whisper the damn fight to him.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yes, he wasn&#8217;t the only new person to the fight and until you actually see some of the phases, it sometimes just doesn&#8217;t make sense.\u00c2\u00a0 Which is where the consistency comes in.\u00c2\u00a0 I&#8217;ve lost count of how many times I&#8217;ve done the Lich King fight now.\u00c2\u00a0 And\u00c2\u00a0almost every night, we had\u00c2\u00a0at least one person who was new to the fight that night.\u00c2\u00a0 As I said, it takes just one person to wipe the raid on that fight and guess who usually did it?\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And ironically, the one night where they had a fully experienced\u00c2\u00a0group to fight the Lich King, since there were three\u00c2\u00a0Hunter&#8217;s on, I had opted to sit out and they took\u00c2\u00a0the Lich King\u00c2\u00a0down!\u00c2\u00a0 Since then, when we&#8217;ve been even lucky enough to get to the Lich King, it&#8217;s been a long night each time\u00c2\u00a0because there&#8217;s always the one\u00c2\u00a0new person\u00c2\u00a0seeing and doing the fight for the first time.\u00c2\u00a0 I was being\u00c2\u00a0blocked by a damn learning curve!<\/p>\n<p>So what about our Warrior tank and him not\u00c2\u00a0doing his research?\u00c2\u00a0 We&#8217;ll get to that in a bit.\u00c2\u00a0 We did our\u00c2\u00a0setup, this time with the Warrior doing the Lich King tanking while our Paladin took on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/npc=37698\">Shambling Horrors <\/a>and\u00c2\u00a0assorted mobs.\u00c2\u00a0 One of the Holy Priests took the job of cleansing the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70337\">Necrotic Plague<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 We started and\u00c2\u00a0myself and our other Hunter stood next to the Warrior.<\/p>\n<p>And that&#8217;s when our\u00c2\u00a0shadow Priest, still acting as raid leader for the week, scolded us, telling us\u00c2\u00a0we were in the wrong position.\u00c2\u00a0 I think the burdens of leadership had gotten to him.\u00c2\u00a0 Why?\u00c2\u00a0 Well, during the long dialogue, we wait and both of us Hunter&#8217;s lay down\u00c2\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=34600\">Snake Traps<\/a> before the fight starts.\u00c2\u00a0 \u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s silly dps but every little bit counts.\u00c2\u00a0 And we&#8217;d been doing it on the Lich King fight for weeks.\u00c2\u00a0 Our shadow Priest only noticed us doing that now?!?<\/p>\n<p>Phase 1 went smoothly.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Now during the transition phase, usually we work it out between us two Hunters that one focuses on the Ice Spheres and one does dps on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=69200\">Raging Spirits<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 I was on Ice Sphere when I hear our raid leader complaining that dps on the Spirits is low.\u00c2\u00a0 I know that my main focus is the Ice Sphere but I still dps the Raging Spirits when I have a free moment or two.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s when I glance over and see our Warlock <em>also<\/em>\u00c2\u00a0dpsing the Ice Spheres instead of the Raging Spirits.\u00c2\u00a0 So that meant two dps were not hiting the Raging Spirits at full power instead of just one.\u00c2\u00a0 The thing is, like the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/npc=38454\">Kinetic Bombs<\/a> the other night, Warlock are just not well suited to taking out the Ice Spheres.\u00c2\u00a0 They usually have very little instant cast spells and many of their spells are DOTs, which can be dicey if the Ice Spheres get too close to someone.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We make it into phase 2, and we&#8217;re good until the very first <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/npc=36609\">Val&#8217;kyr<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 On this run we had very little in the way of stuns, mainly slows.\u00c2\u00a0 Which meant everyone HAD to switch dps to the Val&#8217;kyr immediately and they didn&#8217;t and we lost a person.\u00c2\u00a0 Okay, could be worse&#8230;and it was.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=72754\">Defile<\/a> got placed in the center of the platform.\u00c2\u00a0 Unfortunate, but not an immediate wipe.\u00c2\u00a0 That is, until someone RAN THROUGH IT!\u00c2\u00a0 Most of us were on one side of the Defile, dpsing the Val&#8217;kyr while the Lich King was being tanked on the far side, and instead of going around to continue dps, they ran straight through it.\u00c2\u00a0 And in no time flat, the Defile covered the whole area and we wiped.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not sure who had run through the Defile but I&#8217;m betting it was either the Warrior or Warlock, the two who didn&#8217;t know the fight.\u00c2\u00a0 However, I was too busy DYING to check.\u00c2\u00a0 So while we were setting up for the next try, I calmly ask the Warlock if he wanted to handle to Ice Spheres, to which the raid leader says &#8220;no, it should be the Hunters&#8221;, pointing out the same points I did earlier.\u00c2\u00a0 I told him it was because I saw the Warlock dpsing and I wanted to clear that up.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Which then lead to the discussion, &#8220;hmm, I think we only need one Hunter to dps the Ice Spheres.&#8221;\u00c2\u00a0 And both of us Hunter&#8217;s replied that that was exactly what we were doing.\u00c2\u00a0 Something we worked out the first time we ever faced the Lich King months ago.\u00c2\u00a0 Again, all this time and our shadow Priest never even realized that&#8217;s what we&#8217;d been doing.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The second try\u00c2\u00a0was almost as painful, except it started early in\u00c2\u00a0phase 1.\u00c2\u00a0 The\u00c2\u00a0Warlock was slow to get behind the Shambling Horror when he got the Necrotic Plague, and passed it on to our Druid.\u00c2\u00a0 So our Druid also ran behind the Shambling Horror.\u00c2\u00a0 And\u00c2\u00a0they both stood there!\u00c2\u00a0 (Although talking to my guildmate later, I suspect he might have dozed off for a\u00c2\u00a0bit at that point.)\u00c2\u00a0 So for several seconds\u00c2\u00a0we kept getting message &#8220;Necrotic Plague jumped to X&#8221; between the two\u00c2\u00a0of them while our\u00c2\u00a0holy Priest was apparently cleansing them like a madman.\u00c2\u00a0 I finally told them to get the hell out of there, and then the ping pong match between them finally ended.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Transition phase was still rough, mainly because I suspect there was some split dps going on with the Raging Spirits again.\u00c2\u00a0 We go into Phase 2, which is fine until the Warrior tanks the Lich King\u00c2\u00a0WHILE STANDING IN THE DEFILE!\u00c2\u00a0 So again, there&#8217;s a big black spot\u00c2\u00a0over the area.\u00c2\u00a0 What does our\u00c2\u00a0Warrior say?\u00c2\u00a0 &#8220;Oh, you mean those\u00c2\u00a0spots grow?&#8221;\u00c2\u00a0 Beyond the fact that he was purposely standing in it, every single strategy I&#8217;ve read about\u00c2\u00a0fight <em>specifically<\/em> warns\u00c2\u00a0about the\u00c2\u00a0Defiles and that you can&#8217;t stand in it more than a second or two without wiping the raid.\u00c2\u00a0 Which is how I\u00c2\u00a0know the Warrior hadn&#8217;t studied the fight.<\/p>\n<p>The rest of the night was very similar with the wipes.\u00c2\u00a0 Mostly people, usually myself and the shadow\u00c2\u00a0Priest, being thrown off the edge by the Val&#8217;kyr because people weren&#8217;t focus firing on\u00c2\u00a0it.\u00c2\u00a0 There was a brief thing\u00c2\u00a0from our raid leader about not using\u00c2\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=13809\">Frost Traps<\/a> because their frost effect covers the Defile, making it harder to see.\u00c2\u00a0 Again, something both of us Hunter&#8217;s figured out a while back and stopped doing.\u00c2\u00a0 (Though to be fair, I know one of the times we had one of the other Hunters on, he did drop Frost Traps but neither of us last night had dropped one.)\u00c2\u00a0 And numerous mess up with the Defile&#8217;s being put in bad spots.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We ended up calling it a little early and I was glad to.\u00c2\u00a0 I was just too pissed off about being stopped by a learning curve once again.\u00c2\u00a0 The Lich King, Sindragosa, and Blood Queen, always getting stopped on them while we have to wait while some new person learns the fight.\u00c2\u00a0 I know, everyone needs to learn the fights, but how the heck is it that we almost always have at least one new person everytime we do one of those fights?\u00c2\u00a0 Can&#8217;t we get a consistent group of 10 people to show up regularly?\u00c2\u00a0 Isn&#8217;t that the purpose of putting together\u00c2\u00a0a raid group?\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Sigh, tonight is their 25-man night.\u00c2\u00a0 I&#8217;ll be on, which may or may not end up with an invite to it.\u00c2\u00a0 If not, well, I&#8217;m almost done with my first playthrough of Alan Wake on my xbox 360.\u00c2\u00a0 I really wouldn&#8217;t mind a night off from 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