{"id":131,"date":"2010-06-25T17:37:19","date_gmt":"2010-06-26T03:37:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=131"},"modified":"2010-06-28T15:50:18","modified_gmt":"2010-06-29T01:50:18","slug":"lo-quality-hunter-subbing-tanks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=131","title":{"rendered":"Lo-Quality Hunter:  Subbing Tanks"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Well it was time for our 10-man weekly, and I knew our raid leader wasn&#8217;t going to be on, so the assistant raid leader was in charge.\u00c2\u00a0 The main problem was that our raid leader is also our best tank.\u00c2\u00a0 In fact, of the tanks we normally use, none of them were available.\u00c2\u00a0 I also knew there were a few others who were saying their availability may be bad this week.\u00c2\u00a0 So I wasn&#8217;t even sure how we&#8217;d do.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Fortunately we were set with heals.\u00c2\u00a0 Our two main healers are my guildmate and his Druid and a holy Priest.\u00c2\u00a0 Our usual third healer was our Shaman.\u00c2\u00a0 Last week when our regular Priest had been unavailable, we ran with another holy Priest, a buddy of our shadow Priest, the assistant\u00c2\u00a0raid-leader.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Since both holy Priest&#8217;s were available, that allowed us to use are Shaman for a dps on this run.<\/p>\n<p>As for tanks, one of our dps, our Death Knight, was in his tanking setup.\u00c2\u00a0 However, even he admitted that his tanking gear wasn&#8217;t the best.\u00c2\u00a0 For our other tank, we were using a Warrior tank who I hadn&#8217;t run with before.\u00c2\u00a0 And judging by the amount of time the raid leader spent going over the fights with him, he might not have been familiar with the later fights.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Of course for dps, there was myself and my usual Hunter counterpart.\u00c2\u00a0 Of course our shadow Priest and Shaman.\u00c2\u00a0 To round it out, we picked up a ret Paladin.\u00c2\u00a0 So in essence, we were solid on heals, had mostly known quantities at dps, it was our tanking that was a bit more dubious.<\/p>\n<p>We were sure we&#8217;d have some problems so our raid leader for the week decided that we&#8217;d give it a try or two on Heroic for each boss but we wouldn&#8217;t spent all too much time on them.\u00c2\u00a0 And thus we went to Marrowgar, the one that usually kicks are butt on Heroic.\u00c2\u00a0 Or at least that was the plan.<\/p>\n<p>We managed to end up wiping on the trash on the way to Marrowgar!\u00c2\u00a0 It was a combination of the tanks not doing the normal Line of Sight pulls we usually do and accidentally triggering the traps that activated the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/npc=37007\">Deathbound Wards<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0 Wards, plural, because we managed to trigger three of them\u00c2\u00a0at practically the same time.\u00c2\u00a0 Very ugly.\u00c2\u00a0 But once we took them on one at\u00c2\u00a0a time, we\u00c2\u00a0easily cleared the way to Marrowgar himself.\u00c2\u00a0 \u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Normally, going into the very first <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=70835\">Bone Storm<\/a>, we lose at least one person.\u00c2\u00a0 We actually made it all the way into the third\u00c2\u00a0Bone Storm\u00c2\u00a0before we lost anyone.\u00c2\u00a0 Since we were doing so well, we decided to try it again and we actually downed Marrowgar on Heroic.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Which actually\u00c2\u00a0wasn&#8217;t that surprising when we thought about it.\u00c2\u00a0 It&#8217;s never been a tanking issue for us, it&#8217;s mainly people dying during the Bone Storm, where tanks aren&#8217;t an issue.\u00c2\u00a0 And in this case, we had good coverage on our heals which helped.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0For instance, when one of our guys got spiked, I was the only dps\u00c2\u00a0really in position to\u00c2\u00a0shoot the spike.\u00c2\u00a0\u00c2\u00a0So\u00c2\u00a0while I was focused on that, I saw Marrowgar coming near and I ended up just inside his aoe, which usually would have meant both myself and the\u00c2\u00a0spike target would be dead.\u00c2\u00a0 But\u00c2\u00a0our healers kept us both up while I\u00c2\u00a0took\u00c2\u00a0out the spike\u00c2\u00a0by myself.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Not that it was perfect.\u00c2\u00a0 I know one person got spiked really far out, and I&#8217;m not entirely sure what they were doing over there.\u00c2\u00a0 And with again only one real melee dps, that meant the ranged dps had\u00c2\u00a0generally good coverage and positioning to hit spikes (except for the instance I\u00c2\u00a0mentioned above).\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Now when we got to\u00c2\u00a0Deathwhisper, it ended up being the\u00c2\u00a0raid weekly inside.\u00c2\u00a0 We debated for a bit but we decided it was better to\u00c2\u00a0take\u00c2\u00a0Deathwhisper out on heroic than it was to get the extra\u00c2\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/item=49426\">Emblems of Frost<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 Again, we got pretty far into phase 2 before we wiped.\u00c2\u00a0 And that was mainly because our shadow Priest hadn&#8217;t mediated his threat enough and pulled aggro off the tanks.\u00c2\u00a0 One of the tanks got it back, but the confusion was enough that the other tank went down and we couldn&#8217;t recover at that point.<\/p>\n<p>For the most part, because Deathwhisper is untauntable, and the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=71204\">Touch of Insignificance <\/a>debuff on whichever tank has her attention, you have to have two tanks up, otherwise she&#8217;ll start rampaging through the raid.\u00c2\u00a0 Which actually makes Hunters really useful on this fight.\u00c2\u00a0 We can use <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=34477\">Misdirection<\/a> on the off-tank to make sure their threat is high and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=5384\">Feign Death<\/a> allows us to just focus dps on Deathwhisper without worrying about &#8220;dumping&#8221; theat on the adds.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So on the next try we cleared her and moved on to the Gunship battle.\u00c2\u00a0 Which is pretty much a cruise if you&#8217;re even halfway decently geared and know the fight.\u00c2\u00a0 About the only thing of note was that I wasn&#8217;t paying attention when the Horde gunship was taken out and had just jumped over.\u00c2\u00a0 Fortunately, I just teleported to the landing point but it was still a brief &#8220;oh crap&#8221; moment for me.<\/p>\n<p>Saurfang, although we were almost positive here we wouldn&#8217;t be able to do it, we did one try on Heroic.\u00c2\u00a0 On this one, it was actually the tank&#8217;s inexperience which caused a big problem.\u00c2\u00a0 For Heroic, our strategy is for a Hunter on each side using <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=20736\">Distracting Shot<\/a> on the Blood Beasts and generally acting as bait.\u00c2\u00a0 Except this time, I saw my shot hit, the Blood Beast, it briefly target me, then immediately turn back to the tank.\u00c2\u00a0 And with an\u00c2\u00a08 second cooldown, it meant the Blood Beast was able to wham on the tank for a bit.<\/p>\n<p>Now, if I hadn&#8217;t seen the Beast briefly target me after my Distracting Shot, I would have thought I had either missed or it resisted.\u00c2\u00a0 But even after that, normally dps damage is enough to pull the aggro to one of the dps.\u00c2\u00a0 The fact that it didn&#8217;t told me that the tank had taunted the Blood Beast!\u00c2\u00a0 And when it happened the second time, well, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=72293\">Mark of the Fallen Champion<\/a> came out when he was only down 10% of his hp.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I think in this case, it was just our tanks not being able to adjust their tanking rotations to remove their multi-target abilities.\u00c2\u00a0 And while this disappointed our Warrior tank who wanted a full sweep to get the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/achievement=4628\">Heroic: Storming the Citadel<\/a> achievement, we switched back to normal mode.\u00c2\u00a0 At least then, when the tank managed to taunt the Blood Beast again, and one of them did, we had the dps to kill it before it spent too much time hitting the tank.<\/p>\n<p>We then proceeded to Frostwing Hall.\u00c2\u00a0 Even our normal group has yet to clear either Dreamwalker or Sindragosa on Heroic, so we figured we clear that side out and then spend a little more time doing Heroic modes of the Plagueworks and Crimson Halls.\u00c2\u00a0 Plus, one of our regular tanks is expected to be on, which would allow our Death Knight to be back on dps, where he&#8217;s most comfortable.<\/p>\n<p>Dreamwalker was pretty simple on normal, although our Warrior tank didn&#8217;t know that he should tank the adds on his side towards the middle.\u00c2\u00a0 But in general, we put out enough dps that there are several pauses in the battle when there&#8217;s just nothing up to attack.\u00c2\u00a0 I even briefly considered slapping a bandage on Dreamwalker but I couldn&#8217;t remember where I kept my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/item=34722\">Heavy Frostweave Bandages<\/a>&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Since we had somewhat of a slow start, that&#8217;s where we called it.\u00c2\u00a0 We just didn&#8217;t have time to work on Sindragosa.\u00c2\u00a0 The Warrior tank hadn&#8217;t even seen that fight and our DK was also sketchy on the details of tanking that encounter.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>So in all, it was a pretty good run.\u00c2\u00a0 Three bosses down in Heroic, two on normal, without any of our normal tanks?\u00c2\u00a0 And of course, our newer Druid\/Priest\/Priest healing trio seemed to be pretty effective as well.\u00c2\u00a0 Since I have an evening engagement, I&#8217;m not even sure I&#8217;ll make it in time for tonights run.\u00c2\u00a0 If I don&#8217;t make it, I guess it&#8217;s another xbox 360 night for 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