{"id":117,"date":"2010-06-01T17:44:20","date_gmt":"2010-06-02T03:44:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=117"},"modified":"2010-06-28T15:59:02","modified_gmt":"2010-06-29T01:59:02","slug":"lo-quality-hunter-weekend-wrap-raid-frustration-edition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/loqualityproducts.com\/blogs\/lqwow\/?p=117","title":{"rendered":"Lo-Quality Hunter:  Weekend Wrap, Raid Frustration Edition"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>With Palidron&#8217;s doing their 25-man&#8217;s on Tuesday and Wednesday (US time), it looks like my raiding time is going to be restricted to the weekends for the forseeable future.\u00c2\u00a0 Which isn&#8217;t bad, that gives me time to goof off a little.\u00c2\u00a0 My main problem is that we&#8217;ve picked up some newer raiders and it&#8217;s slowed us back down again.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Not that I have a problem with the raiders themselves, they pretty much do their jobs.\u00c2\u00a0 My main frustration is that we&#8217;ve more or less reset our training curve with the new additions.\u00c2\u00a0 As I&#8217;ll get into shortly, it means it&#8217;s taking longer to get through the raids and is adding a bit of frustration to me.<\/p>\n<p>So we continue on the raid from the other night.\u00c2\u00a0 Fortunately, we decide to skip even trying Saurfang on Heroic.\u00c2\u00a0 And this time, we have a third hunter again, this time an MM.\u00c2\u00a0 As I&#8217;ve mentioned before, for standard Saurfang, Rodman took right wing, and normally I let the third hunter have the far left, but I took that spot this time.<\/p>\n<p>This was a standard fight.\u00c2\u00a0 No big surprises.\u00c2\u00a0 Rodman and myself did a lot of the add control on each side, and our dps\u00c2\u00a0were spread out a bit better than last time so for the most part we didn&#8217;t have to support each other from either end.\u00c2\u00a0 We had enough dps output that we managed to take Saurfang down without getting a single mark.<\/p>\n<p>Then we went in and started on the Crimson Hall instead of the Plague.\u00c2\u00a0 I think it was because we&#8217;ve started doing Plague on Heroics and the raid leader didn&#8217;t want to try it with our current grouping.\u00c2\u00a0 Either way, the first up was the Blood Prince Council.<\/p>\n<p>Now we three Hunters, we should have been able to handle the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=72053\">Kinetic Bombs<\/a>\u00c2\u00a0with no problem.\u00c2\u00a0 Wasn&#8217;t the case.\u00c2\u00a0 I know at one point Rodman had died, but that still left two Hunters right?\u00c2\u00a0 I still found myself juggling two Kinetic Bombs.\u00c2\u00a0 And this time, to add to the difficulty, they would spawn practically on top of each other, which meant that sometime I would target the wrong bomb and didn&#8217;t adjust in time.<\/p>\n<p>Despite this Hunter failure, we made it through.\u00c2\u00a0 We even managed to pick up <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/achievement=4582\">The Orb Whisperer<\/a> achievement.\u00c2\u00a0 I think that was through luck more than anything else.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The Blood Queen encounter was next.\u00c2\u00a0 So we planned it out like normal, which I have no idea why since we immediately throw it to the wind usually.\u00c2\u00a0 This time it was a bit more exciting than normal since we managed to lose a few dps midway through the fight.\u00c2\u00a0 However, between the additional 20% damage buff and the fact that most of our higher dps people were the ones who stayed up, we still managed to kill her in time.\u00c2\u00a0 By only a few seconds.\u00c2\u00a0 But a win is a win.<\/p>\n<p>Next up, we decided to take on the Dreamwalker fight.\u00c2\u00a0 This is where we spent most of the night.\u00c2\u00a0 For the most part, and considering it&#8217;s a healing fight anyway, it was a healer issue.\u00c2\u00a0 Dps was fine, more than fine in fact.\u00c2\u00a0 We were taking down the suppressors and other adds rapidly enough that we usually had a couple seconds of breathing room between adds.<\/p>\n<p>But the healing output just wasn&#8217;t enough and we&#8217;d hit the soft enrage timer.\u00c2\u00a0 A few times in fact.\u00c2\u00a0 One of them, we hit it and kept going almost two minutes past it before being completely overwhelmed.\u00c2\u00a0 I know one time we wiped just as we got Dreamwalker to 99%!\u00c2\u00a0 Those are the worst, being close but not enough.<\/p>\n<p>Eventually we had one of our dps switch to heals.\u00c2\u00a0 (We&#8217;d been two healing most of the night.)\u00c2\u00a0 Even then I believe we wiped once more.\u00c2\u00a0 I think we finally declared &#8220;last try&#8221; and naturally that&#8217;s when we got it down perfectly.\u00c2\u00a0 But we called it a night at that point.<\/p>\n<p>The next night, we start in on the Plagueworks.\u00c2\u00a0 This time we started off in Heroic mode.\u00c2\u00a0 We went after Rotface first.\u00c2\u00a0 Again, because of the Vile Gas attacks, the two Hunters (back to our regular two) got to play along the edges of the room.\u00c2\u00a0 And for some reason, Heroic Rotface seemed a whole lot easier than normal mode.\u00c2\u00a0 And that&#8217;s with both of us Hunter&#8217;s constantly running around the room, trying to stay out of the flooded parts and out of the way of the off-tank.<\/p>\n<p>Rotface went down, but a new stick didn&#8217;t drop.\u00c2\u00a0 Festergut was next and this was also a Heroic mode fight, which we weren&#8217;t able to do last time.\u00c2\u00a0 We realized our main issue was the Malleable Goo.\u00c2\u00a0 So instead of keeping our healers in tight with the melee, they spread out in among the ranged dps.\u00c2\u00a0 Also, most of us have been running an add-on that draws graphics on the ground, showing the targeted area for Maelleable Goo in a green circle.\u00c2\u00a0 So if you saw a green circle show up under you, you knew you had to get out of the way.<\/p>\n<p>Or at least people should have.\u00c2\u00a0 In fact, I know one of a &#8220;regulars&#8221;, who has done the Putricide fight with us, had a bad habit of just standing there and getting hit by the goo.\u00c2\u00a0 I know he was heals for this run, but he still had to know that standing there to get hit would cause problems.\u00c2\u00a0 And the melee didn&#8217;t even see the green circle half the time.<\/p>\n<p>Which irritated me to know end.\u00c2\u00a0 Everything else was done near perfectly.\u00c2\u00a0 Heals adjusted their patterns depending on the gas in the room, people handled the spores\u00c2\u00a0well, even when there were two in ranged or two in melee.\u00c2\u00a0 It was just the Malleable Goo hitting one or two people that would just mess everything up, usually by causing a late heal to a tank or causing dps to slow enough that we hit the enrage timer.<\/p>\n<p>We finally had someone call out goo warnings on the vent channel, which is always dicey because it cause the tanks to miscommunicate.\u00c2\u00a0 And even then, people were slow on the draw, causing a few more wipes.\u00c2\u00a0 Eventually we did get Festergut down but it took way longer than it really should have.<\/p>\n<p>But after that rough time, we decided on Putricide on normal.\u00c2\u00a0 And this time, it was the additional 20% damage that messed us up.\u00c2\u00a0 We ended up pushing Putricide into phase 2 just as the first unstable mutation summon happened!\u00c2\u00a0 That was enough to throw us off our game and we wiped.<\/p>\n<p>The next couple of tries we moderated our damage better.\u00c2\u00a0 In fact, we still pushed into phase 2 quickly, but we had enough dots on the ooze that it died while everyone was stunned.\u00c2\u00a0 We still ended up wiping but we got better at that transition.\u00c2\u00a0 It only took us one or two more tries to get past Putricide.\u00c2\u00a0 In fact, phase 3 was relatively a breeze with the amount of dps being dished out.<\/p>\n<p>But that was the end of another night.\u00c2\u00a0 The next night was Sindragosa and this is the part that drove me absolutely insane.\u00c2\u00a0 We wiped repeatedly over a 2-hour period.\u00c2\u00a0 We kept losing people earlier, usually from two reasons:\u00c2\u00a0 breaking ice blocks early in the air phase or getting ice blocked too far for the tanks and everyone to dps during phase 2.\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The first one especially annoyed me.\u00c2\u00a0 I already slip into <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=34074\">Aspect of the Viper<\/a> to lessen my damage, in addition to be close enough that I melee instead of range attack.\u00c2\u00a0 I also put my pet into passive or defensive mode, depending on what&#8217;s going on.\u00c2\u00a0 And if worst comes to worst, I STOP ATTACKING if I see the ice block is about to break.\u00c2\u00a0 But people couldn&#8217;t even do that!\u00c2\u00a0 They went to town on the ice blocks (twice when I was in the block) and sprung them early causing people to receive damage from the Frost Bomb and often killing them!\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Positioning was our next problem, in both phases with ice tombs actually.\u00c2\u00a0 A couple of air phases, people stood too close and we ended up with multiple ice-blocks.\u00c2\u00a0 Another, the two ice block targets stood too close to each other and more or less killed each other when they got hit!\u00c2\u00a0 In phase 2, people would constantly position themselves way too far, making it next to impossible for the tanks to get their debuffs removed or for dps to reach them to kick them back out.\u00c2\u00a0 That is, when dps remembered to hit the ice blocks in the first place!<\/p>\n<p>It was ridiculous how bad it was.\u00c2\u00a0 Once, I was the target during phase 2.\u00c2\u00a0 I positioned myself near the head but clear of everyone and then stood still to dps and wait for the ice block to hit me.\u00c2\u00a0 And then a healer decides to run across my position!\u00c2\u00a0 I mean, literally!\u00c2\u00a0 When I got ice blocked, it looked like he was in the ice block with me!\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And for the most part, it wasn&#8217;t getting better.\u00c2\u00a0 People weren&#8217;t learning!\u00c2\u00a0 We eventually had to assign two people to only dps the ice blocks, and that didn&#8217;t work the first time becuase one got killed early and the other got the ice block himself!<\/p>\n<p>Actually, I think it was over 2-hours when we finally killed Sindragosa.\u00c2\u00a0 And I think that was mostly luck since half the raid was dead when she finally went down.\u00c2\u00a0 It was a good thing we called it at that point, I was too pissed to deal with anything else at that point.<\/p>\n<p>Which leads into last night.\u00c2\u00a0 We took on Lich King himself.\u00c2\u00a0 But we did it as &#8220;learn the fight&#8221; setup.\u00c2\u00a0 Which, okay, with new people I knew we need.\u00c2\u00a0 But when explaining things, why explain the stuff that doesn&#8217;t involve anyone new?\u00c2\u00a0 Like telling the Hunters to use <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=19801\">Tranquilizing Shot<\/a> on the Shambling Horrors when the two Hunters with you were there every night of the three weeks you were working on the fight the first time?<\/p>\n<p>As usually, it was the defile that wiped us.\u00c2\u00a0 I wasn&#8217;t involved, mainly because I was usually being molested by the Val&#8217;kyr.\u00c2\u00a0 In fact, one time when the Val&#8217;kyr dropped me, the defile had extended far enough past the plateau that I actually got affected by it when she dropped me!\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And we were lazy about things.\u00c2\u00a0 In phase 1, since we had two Shamans on this run, we put one in each group and dropped <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wowhead.com\/spell=8170\">Cleansing Totems<\/a>.\u00c2\u00a0 And when the dps still ran to the Shambling Horrors when infected, the raid leader scolded us for it.\u00c2\u00a0 The problem to me, is that if you&#8217;re going to learn the fight, learn it properly.\u00c2\u00a0 Letting the dps get in position to cleanse correctly is something you want them to get into the habit of.\u00c2\u00a0 (And even then, people were slow in moving again.)\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We did only a half-dozen tries, usually getting to the second defile of phase 2.\u00c2\u00a0 But even then, little mistakes kept cropping up.\u00c2\u00a0 Like a tank miscounting the Raging Spirits up and moving into the Remorseless Winter aoe early and almost wiping the raid!\u00c2\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Either way, I have a few days to cool down.\u00c2\u00a0 If we were going in tonight, I probably wouldn&#8217;t be in the right mindset for it.\u00c2\u00a0 Hopefully, people will have studied the fight and we won&#8217;t have so many issues when we finally go back in later this week.\u00c2\u00a0 In the meantime, I think I need a drink&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With Palidron&#8217;s doing 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